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12/22/2011

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This is a great, thought-provoking analysis, and it introduces a dilemma for those of us who have struggled on,continuing to carry water for the elephant in the hope libertarians might at least have a meaningful voice in deveoping policy in the Republican Party. Do we once again work for and vote for the lesser of evils? Is this the best we can do? Or is there another road that would at least make us more comfortable with our consciences and give us the solace of being keepers of the flame?

Laura:

I can neither agree with, nor argue with, your analysis ... largely because there is simply too much time till election day and too many variables about which too little information/data is currently available. But I would offer a scenario that, while undeniably cynical, is becoming more attractive to me by the day. It goes something like this:

I think that Obama's re-election is virtually certain thanks to the sorry quality of the field of Republican contenders, so we should all work energetically to elect Republicans (or Libertarians would work also)to the Senate so that both the House and the Senate are under the control of essentially "anti-Obama" forces. This would assure four years of governmental policy stasis and hyper-gridlock ... which, of course, to we small-government types would be very good news indeed. Short of naming a few post offices, declaring pizza a vegetable, and spending us irretrievably into the poor-house, Washington hasn't accomplished anything laudable since Abe was a pup ... so putting the entire Washington establishment into a coma can only be viewed as a good thing. To update an old proverb - "that government is better that governs least, and that government is best of all that governs not at all."

Just a thought ...

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Ed:  I agree that there is too much “unknown” to adequately define what will happen on election day 2012.  As for the Republican nomination, I still think (maybe even more so today than when I wrote this a day or two ago), that Romney will be the nominee.  What happens after that is pretty much irrelevant:  I’m not sure that there is THAT much difference between Romney and Obama in terms of how much they’d be willing to grow the government to accomplish their own means (or for that matter, that much difference between ANY Republicans and ANY Democrat—safe one or two on each side); the difference is merely in the specific areas or policies for which they’d exercise government growth. I agree 100% that we ought to be focusing on getting “good guys” (and gals) into Congress and at the state level.  3 ½ years ago I wrote this: http://redstateeclectic.us.com/article.php?articleid=14 , which promoted the idea of voting for “divided government” instead of a particular person. If Barack Obama is in the White House, our only hope is to elect Republicans and Libertarians to Congress who will (as you put it) “put the Washington establishment into a coma.”  Until such time as “small government types” can become the dominant force in American politics again (which, as you point out, has been a VERY long time), our best hope is probably to let hyperpartisanship keep applying pressure to the brakes in the hopes that damage isn’t too great. Of course not just *any* Republican will work—some of those guys will bend to the President’s will easier than the Democrats.  Nebraskans need to figure out which of the four main contenders running (I’m not including Zimmerman) will be the most principled and small government/libertarianish leaning, and elect him (or her).  I’m pretty sure I know who’s DOESN’T fit that bill, but not so sure about which one or two DOES. Merry Christmas from eastern Nebraska to central Nebraska (although we’re still 3rd District compadres). 

Today, I think, we find ourselves in a situation totally of Ron Paul's making. By that I mean we have a candidate who has caught fire. He is surging in Iowa and within striking distance in New Hampshire. But...

From what I can tell, Ron Paul has never made inroads with the GOP. With anyone at all within the GOP so that he has no insiders, no colleagues, and no institutional support to help him in his quest to win. It explains why he didn't pass much legislation until he had an enormous grassroots organization behind him.

I agree that Romney will be an almost impossible candidate to beat. Perhaps the Ron Paul campaign can provide adequate training to its caucusers in other states and convention attendees in primary states to navigate hostile conventions (and yes, they will be very hostile).

One could argue that many Paul supporters are battle tested from 2008 but I think the numbers are still too small. Just watching the tea party forces attempt to penetrate the state party here in Michigan showed that they couldn't succeed because of the establishment.

In summary, Paula needs either a ground swell of consvpervatives who embrace his campaign and help work against Romney or he needs to run the tables early. If he wins the first 2 and then wins or nearly wins in SC, NV, ME, and FL then perhaps he has a chance to win.

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I tend to like the RCP polling averages, because I think it’s too easy to pick and choose your polls to suit your purposes—and because it tends to flatten out the wild differences from one poll to the other.  Most of the polls have the same ordering (at least in the top 3 or 4 candidates)—it’s just the margins that are different. That said, I’m skeptical about Paul being in “striking distance” in New Hampshire.  Anything’s possible, I guess, but if you look at the difference between him and Romney, in order for Paul to pull a win, people either have to leave Romney and go to him (rather than Newt, Huntsman, Bachmann, Santorum or Perry), or else—assuming that Romney’s numbers are stable, Gingrich’s people need to migrate to Paul, OR, all of the other candidates need to drop out and all of their current support needs to go to him.  I just find those virtually impossible odds.  Ron Paul stands alone—philosophically, and from an integrity standpoint—in the nomination race as it’s shaken out.  The other six remaining  candidates (I’m excluding Johnson at this point), have more in common with each other than they have with Ron Paul.  I am really hard pressed to see many of their supporters who would move toward Paul; maybe some of Huntsman’s (on foreign policy), maybe some of Bachmann’s (Tea Party)—but certainly not most of them. Some of Paul’s supporters are indeed battle tested.  But many more (I’m afraid) are still buying into the notion that “things are different” and “there are more of us this time”—and that the GOP establishment won’t know what hit them.  Maybe that’ll be the case in some places.  But I think people are vastly underestimating the power of the “establishment” to martial a lot of human resources if they really need to.     

We have a running joke in my family about basketball. "I'd rather be up by two than down by two."

While watching Kentucky and Michigan State play in the tournament years ago to get to the final four, the game was close and stressful all the way to the end. As any true fan will admit, you are convinced that your team's collapse is imminent and just around the corner when there is no margn for error. With time running out in the second half and MSU up 2 and Kentucky with the ball my dad gave us the famous quote. Which, when you stop and think about it is completely ridiculous and obvious. But states the fact that the game was in doubt and we would rather be blowing them out.

I can say the same about Ron Paul this time. If, in April you told me Ron Paul had a really good chance to win Iowa and would be don 13 points going into NH 3 weeks away I would have said you were crazy. Sometimes, the hardest thing to deal with is success.

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We’ll see.  I like to be right, but in this instance, I would be happy to be wrong. 

Well, if there's one thing you can't anticipate in this race is the change in opinion of the GOP electorate. They keep changing their minds and perhaps if it comes down to Paul versus Romney the tea party pulls for Paul and the anti-Romney folks as well. It's too far out to know how frustrated the voters may get. Perhaps conservatives will push for Paul to force a brokered convention. Anything is possible. Can't wait.

Laura,
That is a very well thought-out and well-written analysis of the situation. I have supported Ron Paul as much as I can from overseas: I have contributed the legal maximum, I have donated to Revolution PAC, I host the Seoul Ron Paul Meetup Group and I even changed my Florida voter registration to Republican so can vote for Ron in the Presidential primary there. But this morning I also made my flight reservations to attend the Libertarian Party National Convention in Las Vegas, the first week of May. I have been an LP Party member long enough to know that we have our faults, but we also have a purpose that is bigger and better than our personal foibles and some of us are really stubborn. So you are right, we are going to run the best campaign for President and every office we have candidates for, that we possibly can.

I hope that Ron Paul supporters find Libertarian or liberty-minded Republican State Rep and State Senate, gubernatorial, and sheriff candidates in their state who will nullify unconstitutional acts like Obamacare, TSA groping, the EPA, FDA, etc., and get them elected so that we can start pushing back on the feds. I think that the federal government will never limit its own power. The states will have to do it.

I think that supporting Libertarian Party candidates, especially at the state level and sheriff level is a way to build an institution that people can come to when the big-government parties of Washington continue to fail, and the people realize that both Washington and the two-party system is hopelessly broken.

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